Little Things

Summary:

Spelling of names, First names, etc. Also, responses to comments in recent changes. ...

Little Things

cpennylane 1192281231|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Just wanted to point out that we had 3 different spellings of Charlotte Johanssen. I THINK that's the right one, I looked it up last night. Two s's, one n, and E, not O. It's a stupid name, IMO.

Also, I think it's John Kishi, which makes no sense to me if he's a first generation immigrant. But the letter in SS#2 was addressed to John Kishi. I think it was SS#2. I usually ignore anything handwritten by Claudia because I can't read it. Same goes with Jessi, unless I'm in a patient mood.

We need more contributers.

I read Dawn and the Disappearing Dogs last night. There was no sitting, but plenty of Krasher action.

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Pigeonrat 1192369374|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Thanks for making this category, although I can no longer remember (at the moment) what the things were that I was thinking "We should start a Little Things category for." Oh well. I probably will remember them later when I'm actually doing wiki stuff and I didn't just wake up.

I always thought that it was Johansson because at some point I memorized the spelling as "like Johan's son", but I guess I was wrong. Weird.

And "John Kishi" just SOUNDED right to me, but in the same sentence I also mentioned John Ramsey, Jessi's dad, and I was like, how many BSC dads are named John? I should probably bring my Complete Guide in from the car so that at least I can look stuff up in it when I'm at home; I left it there on the theory that I might someday be able to sneak it into work to consult it in my cubicle, which is where I do almost all my stuff for the wiki, but that probably won't happen.

I agree that we could use more contributors. I never got around to making that page about "How to start contributing", because I sort of felt like it was self-explanatory now that we have a fair number of articles and the site has some structure, but maybe I only think that because I know now how to do all the basic stuff. But I feel like people could come in now and figure out what to do. I did just edit the "How to edit pages" page that's linked on the left toolbar, so it's a bit more customized to newcomers to this site. But I think we should re-advertise at least on the LJ community to say that we've made some progress in developing the site, and we could really use more contributors to help in adding content. (And hopefully the masses won't descend and start editing everything all willy-nilly and then we'll have to go fix it. I admit there are upsides to it just being the three of us, at least in my paranoid, organization-obsessed head.)

By the way, re: the jumpsuits: I have seen that F&G episode, but I assumed that the jumpsuits the BSC is always wearing weren't so incredibly dorky. I don't know.

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cpennylane 1192374185|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I have a school picture where i'm wearing a jumpsuit. My mom showed it to me yesterday, when we were looking for a picture frame. It's hideous, and I asked her why she made me wear it. Apparently, I wanted to. There is also a picture of me wearing black leggings, an oversized sweater with a dog on it, high tops, push down socks and my hair is in a side ponytail. I may be wearing clip on earrings. I was in 3rd grade. At that point in life, I wanted to go to the University of Kentucky and become a Dallas cheerleader. High aspirations there. I'm so glad that life isn't like the Sims where you are stuck with whatever aspiration you choose when you are a child.

Oh yeah, so the jumpsuit. It wasn't like sams on f&g. It was pink and floral printed. No collar. It buttoned up. I don't know what shoes I wore with it, my feet were covered.

The reason I mentioned the Johanssen thing is because I spelled it two or three different ways, and I also spelled it with an O until I happened to notice it was E. I think it my spelling problem comes from 2 things: one, I learned to read by memorization of entire words, then phonics, then back to memorization. It was sort of screwy, and all the changes were about when I was reading these books. I still don't always notice little changes in the middle of words. Two, it was a long time before I even realized it was Johanssen and not Johnson. I think it was when I was watching the show, which I rarely watched as it was on at ungodly times in the morning.

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Pigeonrat 1192392455|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Google Images Search seems to indicate that the best reference for the kind of jumpsuit the baby-sitters might wear is April O'Neil from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

Also, I just leafed through my Complete Guide and it turns out that Claudia's, Dawn's, Jessi's, and Mallory's dads are all named John (although Dawn's dad goes by Jack). Weird. I think now I might remember that coming up on LJ, actually. At least Lyman Bruno spices things up.

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cpennylane 1192419882|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Ugh. Would it have been that difficult to think of some new names? Open a baby name book, I know she has a few. 10 Kids No Pets taught me that lesson.

Jumpsuits are ugly. I hate them, they just don't look good. They look uncomfortable and awkward.

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cpennylane 1192543391|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Also John Arnold and John Pike. And Abby's dad was a Jonathon, which is often shortened to Jon.

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bscwiki 1192590549|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

John Pike was also sometimes Jonathan Pike, depending on the book.

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Pigeonrat 1192460999|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Here's a Little Thing: In listing the "People/Places/Sitting charges in this book", should we list everyone who's even mentioned, or everyone who physically appears in the book's story, or what? I guess my internal guideline so far has been some kind of neblous idea along the lines of "If someone really liked this character, would the reference to the character in this book offer anything of interest?" So if, for example, there's a chapter about Claudia sitting for Jamie Newton, Jamie would get listed. If there's just a sentence during a meeting that says, "We got a call about baby-sitting for Jamie Newton, and Dawn took the job", and Jamie's never mentioned again, I don't list him. If someone tells a story about Jamie during a meeting, I list him, because the story adds to what we know about him. I'm probably even more lenient about listing other characters, like BSC classmates, because they don't get mentioned as often even in passing. But BSC family members, I'm not listing unless they get at least a spoken line or something like that; there's obviously no point in listing every family member mentioned in the Chapter 2 marathon of BSC descriptions.

I listed Bellair's in the article for Mystery at the Mall, but I probably shouldn't have, because it's only mentioned as the place where Stacey's mom works, I think.

On the other hand, if someone wanted to come in and list literally every name that appears (except maybe family members), I'd probably be fine with that. More info is generally better than less, IMO.

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cpennylane 1192542832|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I've been wondering about that too. One of my biggest problems is Sam Thomas. Now, I'm a Stacey/Sam shipper, and have been since about 1990. (Short of my BSC break for things like high school and college). So I of course want to know all the places where Sam is mentioned in regards to Stacey. ESPECIALLY in the books that came out immediately after Super Special #8, Shadow Lake Edition. Some of them mention Sam in regards to Stacey, some don't.

So … I don't know.

I've been listing clients that they set up jobs for, and noting that they don't actually appear. But then, do they go under clients or under other people?

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Pigeonrat 1192551688|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I think clients should go under clients, not "other characters", no matter how big their appearance is. And I think it's fair to include Sam if he's only mentioned as the person Stacey's dating, since it's not automatic like, you know, mentioning Mrs. McGill as the person Stacey lives with.

Oh, and since you asked about outfits in one of your edit notes, I've been listing any outfit that gets described, at least when worn by one of the BSC members. (And for Kristy's Big Day, I just listed Stacey's description at the BSC meeting, even though it didn't really include an OUTFIT, just hair and accessories, because Kristy said that Stacey looked like a junior Madonna and that's hilarious.)

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bscwiki 1192590702|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I think that for more minor characters, say emily bernstein, wiki every mention of her. but for someone like jamie, unless jamie does something significant, like barf up mac and cheese while stacey is ignoring him, every little time he's mentioned needn't be wikied.

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Pigeonrat 1192559509|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Here's a Little Thing I meant to post about: wikilinking the names of the BSC members in book articles. I haven't been doing it, because it sort of seems silly, since obviously if you're reading this you know who the members are. Also, it seems weird to write out the full name in the text (like, "Kristy Thomas and Mary Anne Spier go to the mall"), so if I were going to wikilink the names, I'd be more inclined to mask the links so it would show as "Kristy" and Mary Anne go to the mall," which seems sort of like a lot of work. And the member articles are easy to access on the index. On the other hand, it'd be a little weird not to have any links to the BSC member articles. And it's not like it's that much work to write out the link. I don't know. What do you guys think?

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bscwiki 1192590620|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I think that for the first mention of someone in the wiki article their named should be linked. for subsequent mentions don't bother/

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cpennylane 1192633364|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

The only other thing I can remember about Watson is that he is balding. He also helps Kristy out with the Krushers, and is described as well organized. I think the rest of my image of Watson is my own imagination. You know, the wealthy, corporate type, who cares about his family and kids? Maybe a midlife crisis?

Oh, he has that car. And that heart attack. I'll look him up in my complete guide!

Are we going to have pictures of characters? I put up one of Andrew, because I knew where one was. I don't know if tehre are any pictures of Watson.

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Pigeonrat 1192634338|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I just went through KGI and added whatever info I could find in there (and what I could remember off the top of my head).

And I made template:characterboxwithpic and template:chargeboxwithpic, so if there is a picture available, those can be used instead, but if not, we can use the regular box and there won't be a big ugly space where the picture would be

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cpennylane 1192635417|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

What's KGI?

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cpennylane 1192635437|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Never mind, I'm an idiot.

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Pigeonrat 1192636179|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

hehe, I was wondering if the abbreviation was obvious enough but honestly I'm tired of writing out the book titles over and over so I got lazy

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Pigeonrat 1192634621|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

re: Boston: My inclination is to list every single place because I have a sick fascination with the idea of listing EVERY place ever touched by the BSC. I also like the idea of listing the places they go on vacation so that if people are going to be in that city, they can look and see where the BSC went (and maybe find out that suchandsuch place that the BSC went doesn't actually exist so they shouldn't try to go there). But that's just me. And obviously, of course, you can add whatever content you want to add; just because I like the idea of listing every place doesn't mean there's any pressure on you to go through and do it if you don't feel like it.

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cpennylane 1192738645|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Why won't Suzanne Weyn in Jessi's Secret Anorexic Friend link to the Suzanne page I created?

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cpennylane 1192738732|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

ooh, I figured it out. It needs to be renamed. Can someone with renameing power help me out?

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Pigeonrat 1192799334|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

fixed :)

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cpennylane 1192806857|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Thanks!

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Pigeonrat 1192817728|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Okay, this is about the forty-seventh time that I've asked this question in various places, because I NEVER, EVER remember. But if someone answers it one more time for me, I will put it on the Wizard of Oz wiki article and I'll NEVER have to ask again because whenever I forget I'll just be able to look it up. So please, if someone could be so kind:

Which book is it where Claire makes the "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" video at the mall?

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cpennylane 1192988180|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Mystery No. 11: Claudia and the Museum Mystery.

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cpennylane 1192988220|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I mean #11, Claudia and the Mystery at the Museum. She makes everyone watch it, and she sends it to an agent, right?

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Pigeonrat 1193078947|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

yeah, that's the one. Thank you! I will edit the Wizard of Oz page right now!!!

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cpennylane 1192988139|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Where on the index should Kristy's Krashers, The Krushers, and Bart's Bashers go?

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bscwiki 1193013958|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Hmm.. maybe for the index it should be like the complete guide. so maybe "kid things »> kid groups"?

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Pigeonrat 1193078586|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I was thinking maybe they could go under the person they were associated with, like the parent for "Kristy's Krushers" would be Kristy. Besides KK and BB, are there any other groups that would go in a separate category? (We could do, like, the members of All The Children Of The World, but since that only comes up in one book it seems superfluous. I can't think of any other groups that last for more than one book.)

Speaking of stuff that comes up in more than one book, though, I just realized we need an article about the Secret Agents game :) (at some point.)

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Pigeonrat 1193079417|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Should we do some kind of cataloguing thing with fictional pop culture stuff that's mentioned in the series, too? I haven't been doing it, except that I listed "Cam Geary" under "People in this book" in #10, I think. Certainly, recurring stuff like Cam Geary and U4Me should be mentioned. But what about, like, the title of some TV show that gets mentioned once? Maybe there should be just one category for "Fictional Pop Culture" that encompasses articles about things or people that were significant to at least one book? (Like, I have no idea what the name was of the musician or group that made the tapes that Logan helps steal in that one book, but that might rate a brief article.)

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cpennylane 1193089483|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Hey, what about Insect/Scorpian from SS#1? He's fictional, right?

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Pigeonrat 1193146713|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Sure. Unless maybe AMM named him after someone she knew or something ;)

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bscwiki 1193258956|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

i really want the wiki to follow the format of the complete guide. in the cg, fictional pop culture things had a * next to them to denote "only in stoneybrook."
and nicky cash is very important! i think all fictional things that are mentioned should be in the wiki.

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Pigeonrat 1193265347|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

His name was Nicky Cash? Haha. I haven't read that book in FOREVER, I really should reread it. And putting a * by them sounds good to me.

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cpennylane 1193266025|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Here's something I've been meaning to ask:

Citations. Should we continue citing in the article, such as "Stacey falls in LUV with her teacher in #65, Stacey's Big Crush" or use footnotes, like in Wikipedia… and on Mallory's character page? (I think it's mallory that I experimented with that)

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Pigeonrat 1193279174|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I've just been winging it, but my instinct is basically to include the book number when it's a specific event, and to include the title when the event is relevant in some way to the rest of the book. But if it's a general fact about the character (or whatever), like "Sam is on the math team at SHS", I don't bother with the CG-style citations, because I asked Greer what she thought about that when she first started the wiki and IIRC (and I'm sure she will clarify her opinion if necessary) she said she didn't really care. I guess for me, mentioning the book is more about showing how something or someone is portrayed throughout the series, as opposed to Wikipedia's emphasis on things needing to be sourced to be reliable.

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bscwiki 1193616488|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Naming the book is most important; you can put page numbers if you want but i feel like it's really annoying and knowing the book is enough. when i go home for thanksgiving i'm going to upload the complete guide things that people did to a website for wiki members to access so everyone can access the info for making pages. then the page numbers will be there, so feel free to include them. it won't be the same across the whole website, but i think it's ok.

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Pigeonrat 1193666767|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Almost everything I've been doing for the wiki has been at work, using the eBooks as references, so I wouldn't have been able to put the page numbers if I'd wanted to. But I agree that they're superfluous.